What can we do

[GBelly]

to get dog hunting banned?

This shit needs to end soon. Nutz and I were on the way to hunt this evening in NE Kershaw and was rolling down a MAJOR highway and damn if a 1/2 mile stretch wasnt lined with doggers with shotguns ready. If that wasnt good enough, we get to the tract and dogs are running right where I chose to sit. I went ahead and sat and saw nothing, zero, zilch.

Saw another crowd around lunch time in the same area lined up on 341. Friggin disturbing shit going on.

This is the second hunt I have had ruined by doggers this year.

I bet we heard 30 shots (rifle) in the area. Could have been a great evening whacking a few slicks, but again, thanks to some doggers.....it just sucked. Nutz did see 300 geese land on our (read, President 2th's) pond though.

[BugBuster]

Oh yeah, lets band all dog hunting! The deer dogs first, then animal rights activist join in. Then goes coon hunting, rabbit hunting and then before long you know it retrievers are band as well.

What we need are more game wardens to enforce the laws that are in place.

[GBelly]

Ok! Now we got the ball rolling, do you care to lead the game?

Are all forms of hunting involving dogs illegal where dog hunting FOR DEER is illegal?

I didnt expect a rational answer from you to start off with....

The bad apples always stick out. Why is it so fucking many seem to be standing out these days. I am sick and tired of this shit. I know damn well I aint the only one. Screw driving an hour, or an hour and a half to only be shit on by some asshole that cant control his gawd damned mutts.

And get that fucking shotgun out of that 12 year old's hands when he is one a dog box on a major highway.

[BugBuster]

My hunt was ruined Saturday afternoon by deer dogs, but did I come on here wining? Nor did I have to prove that I know all of the four letter words in the alphabet.
I do very little dog hunting for deer, but when we do we have lots of land and very rarely do our dogs get off of our property. Yes their are alot of renegades out there and unfortunately those are the ones that everyone sees.
Did you know if they are on the side of the road and do not have the lease to that side of the road that they can be fined for having a loaded gun in their truck? Unfortunately DNR has been cut back so severely with man power and mileage that they can not get the whole job done.
If you want to make a difference write your senator and representative and get more funding for DNR.

[mirroman]

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[The Gray Man]

I try my best to stay out of the anti-dog hunter talks, but if I do see a hunter doing something unsafe whatever it is, I do not hesitate to call 1-800-GAME-THEIF.

Speaking from experience, when you use that number the law enforcement officers respond quickly (Game Wardens & Police Officers). graemlins/cop2.gif

[LabLuvR]

I want to outlaw those damn folks who hunt with blackpowder guns whilst I am trying to bow hunt. Screws up the deerz everytime. :D

[Fish]

Originally posted by G-Belly:
Friggin disturbing shit going on. Anytime you get earthy, summer-toothed, ignorant rednecks in a group you see disturbing shit!

I can't tell you how many times I have talked to dog hunters after a typical day and was utterly amazed at what they would tell me. Question: "How did you guys do today?" Answer: "Uhhh, well, da dogs done jumped from the block we sent em in and then run over on the Heritage Preserve and den day crossed tha river...right now, hell...I don't know where they're at."

Later you hear that this illiterate and drunk-at-the-time asshole shot someones brother on the next stand or his own pick-up.

[Stripa Swipa]

Bug,

Are you saying that because there is a problem, the victims should just pay more money to "control" it instead of having the problem solved? I have sympathy for doggers that aren't the problem but to say people that are forced to deal with the renegades are whining is not a noble cause is it?

I'll pose these questions for anyone with that espouses the "slippery slope theory."
1. Would the banning of tamies give the anti's enough leverage to ban duck hunting?
2. Would the banning of robo's have a similar effect?
3. Why haven't anti's used the ban on using dogs for turkeys in SC to end turkey hunting altogether?
4. In areas/states where dog hunting for deer has been banned, what other hunting related bans have spawned from this "first step?"
5. If doggers are sincerely afraid of anti's, why aren't they working to change the habits of the renegades which provide more fuel for anti hunting groups than any other hunting related activity in this state?

[KRT]

Like a Nascar race fishdick?

[Fish]

Originally posted by Stripa Swipa:
5. If doggers are sincerely afraid of anti's, why aren't they working to change the habits of the renegades which provide more fuel for anti hunting groups than any other hunting related activity in this state? I'll take a shot at this one. They are not afraid and they have no reason to be afraid. These are the same hand to mouth people that don't worry about tomorrow. Its all about the geography. The antis, also known as liberal idiots that will be voting for Kerry, live in metropolitan areas...city folk. Liberally educated, stand-for-nothing, city folk. They don't like getting dirty. They are not the poor folk that live out in the rural areas (that will probably also vote for Kerry) who are probably either related to dog hunters or dog hunt themselves. The true anti's simply don't see the egregious acts perpetrated by these southern NASCAR folk.

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[Stripa Swipa]

hope that made you feel better there fishwhistle graemlins/shakehead.gif

[Fish]

Should I feel better? Have you ever seen a group of VW drivers out harassing doghunters? Maybe in northern California or upstate New York, but here in SC, you just don't see it.

Is this topic of such gravity to you personally that you feel it necessary to be sanctimonious? If I have said something that upsets you then yes...I feel better.

[BugBuster]

Swipa you did not read my post carefully.

I stated that DNR if allowed and with the necessary man-power could put a stop to the renegade dog hunters. Stop and check dog hunters while they are on the side of the road hunting. Check licenses, loaded guns, distance from residences, hunter education permits and permission to be on the property. Check just like they do dove and duck hunters.

[just one more]

If you could train more deer to do this the dogs will quit running after them.


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[Stripa Swipa]

Thugtruster,

I like that thought direction but I still think the current attempt at control with the "right side of the road" law is too easy to abuse. I've had the local warden come out and issue some tickets on this but the renegades don't get the right message. Years ago when the warden force was larger, were these kinds of checks going on?

[CPiper]

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I will add this ..... I see and hear of ALOT of wreckless redneck behavior on the non dog side of the fence also.
In SC the top 3 citations issued by SCDNR GW's is for tresspassing, illegal baiting and hunters not having the proper licese/tags/permits. It dont take a rocket scientist to figure out that doggers are not the major culprits in 2 of these areas.
AND, lastly, when doggin is all but a memory and some of ya'll are hoopin and hollarin and dancing on its grave, all problems will be solved in SC and Amercia as it pertains to sport hunting???????????

"Ya stupid redneck! Ya done whent and shot a buttin buck, ya stupid moron"
QDM, B&C, P&Y, fenced in and day lease FOR PROFIT operations wont have a a negative impact on sport hunting??
And what about the BIG made for PROFIT poaching rings across the nation - what damages the profile of ALL of us hunters to the NON hunters, my dog gettin on your land OR these poachers fo profit (greed and selfish motives) that they see operating in our national parks?? And the point is, doggers aint the ones engaged in this activity!
Difference is this: Ya'll see doggin as screwin up YOUR hunt. I see these other situations as screwing up OUR hunt.
SC is the last strong hold out for doggin - any other time ya'll wopuld be proud that SC was being different and holding to the heritages and traditions that made us the soverign state of SC - but since it screws up YOUR hunt, ban it.

There is a whole bunch of nasty selfish greedy rouge poaching redneckin activitys all over the place - if you are going to point a finger at one and ask when it is going to be over, be willing and ready to help in other areas also.
I for one have a HUGE problem here in the Piedmont (A NON DOG AREA) with tresspassers. BOW AND RIFLE hunters comeing onto our prop to hang and BUILD stands for hunting on our land - dern it, when is bow and still hunting going to be banned so I can stay home on weekends and not worry about someone coming onto my lands??
We had 4-5 ADULTS come onto our land last year and approach a 13 year old hunter, NOT on a road, but down inside our lease and very literally try to lay hands on him and take his gun - address that - we did. These guys are bow and rifle hunters.

I get it fellas .... ya'll dont want to be botherd by a dog on your land. YOu have that right to enjoy your hunt on your land.
But you dont get what I have always said, you look down your nose at me and say I am being "defensive". Well, I think you are being defensive and are in denial!
You are right in pointing out the issues on the dog side of the fence and I for am am watching and listening and doing what I can to make a difference!
I am right in pointing out problems and issues I see - you'd do well to open your eyes and ears and work with people like me for positive chnages throughout the entire system and processes of hunting in SC.


In answer to your question:
Register to vote and then vote. Get active in your local and state politics. Write, call, visit for Senator and Rep and tell them over and over that you want dog hunting banned or restricted in SC. Thats what you can do to make it go away.AND, if you would do me a favor? Get me the name and number of the prez of that dog club and get it to me. I will make some calls and see if we can get some changes in that area for you, OK?!

If "30 shots in the area" disturbs you, you best not be around Blackville, SC tomorrow, 30 shots will take place in about the first 10 minutes of the first hunt. I fully expect 100+ shots to be fired tomorrow and 15-25 deer to be killed!
It is does season and we have 200+ doe tags, YeHaw!! :D :D :D

[Hammers down]

My father had a club next to several dog clubs while growing up, that ran dogs every saturday. Most saturdays their dogs eventually got on our 3,000 acres. Every single year some of the biggest bucks killed were killed while a buck was trying to sneak out before or after the dogs came by. I think dog driving is one of the best forms of hunting there is, and it would be a damn shame to lose it. But as with all things you get people who think that the way they want to do it, is the only way to do it. God help me if anything fucks with me while i'm hunting. I even remember a post where people were bragging on the dogs and cats that they have shot while hunting. That's sad. Get more law enforcement, bigger fines, do what ever it takes to fix the problem, but for god sake, shut up about banning dog hunting. Some of the best hunters I have ever met (Granfather included) were die hard dog hunters. I grew up using dogs for deer hunting(a couple times a year), rabbit hunting, quail hunting, and duck hunting., and i damn sure don't want to see any of them gone.

[mirroman]

Cpip, I read and re-read your post. I appreciate what "you" do for hunting. )taking kids, being responsible for your dogs).
As far as the 3 major citations, I would assume that doggers "could" be responsible for just as many of them as still hunters. Esp. tresspassing and liscences. That would be a tough one to break down.
Anyhow I am all ears for any problems you may have with still hunters and I will do anything I can to educate those who do wrong.
Happy hunting....

[CPiper]

Thanks Hammers! ;)

MMan: Just going on the facts given to me by a high ranking officer in the SCDNR. Doggers would be up near the top for tresspassing, in 1/2 the state, I'll give you that but it is more remote chance that doggers bait (most dont) and a REAL good chance that doggers DO have their license and such since they (we) are so visible. I dont have the numbers on that issue.
Funny thing that struck me, was that the group that had the most non permit/license citations wre "duck hunters". But then again, I was not surprised since you have to get 8 different permits and a tag this and tag that and a permit and Hip this .... LOL! One of the reasons Iv shyed away from duckin is all the different permits and tags and licenses you have to have - seems too comlicated - plus, Im sure it would interfere with my dog hunts!!

We had a HECK of a race last weekend!! A BLISTERTIN HOT CLOSE race!! One of those where you KNOW the dogs can SEE the deer and it is flat out moving!
The race came close, within 30-40 yards of us, me and my 2 kids .... my little girl, age 9, has this most wonderful look on her face! I could tell she was enjoying listening to them hounds sing in the bottom lands!!
Anyone wanting to listen to some sweet hound music this weekend??

[DemsRstupid]

Let's not criticize fellow hunters. Dog hunting is as honorable a form of hunting as still hunting by all means. It is very inconsiderate of dog hunters to let their dogs off of their property where they may ruin others hunts. It is inconsiderate of still hunters to try to take away the privilidges of dog hunters just because they do not like or understand dog hunting.
Go ahead, fight amongst yourselves. Let Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Chuck Schumer laugh their asses off while we hamper each other and they work to end all hunting as we know it. I am primarily a still hunter, yet I can think of nothing more exhilliarating than the sound of the chase. Yes, I have had hunts "ruined", but what if a 9 yr old boy took his first deer in the process and became another lifelong hunter who will help protect my heritage, and my two boy's hopes of being able to hunt in the future. If it bothers you so, fence the dogs out, or speak reasonably with the dog hunters about working out a time when they will respect your right to a quiet, uninterrupted hunt. In return, let them know you will not complain to the leaseholder they have a relationship with about curtailing their rights to pursue a few of our one million plus woodgoats in the manner they so choose. There are plenty of deer, a dwindleing number of hunters, and more animal rights whackos than you can shake a stick at. Get over it!

[Sasha and Abby]

Dems
That comment is so stupid, it does not deserve a response. :rolleyes:

[Rock & Rye]

This shit needs to end soon. Nutz and I were on the way to hunt this evening in NE Kershaw and was rolling down a MAJOR highway and damn if a 1/2 mile stretch wasnt lined with doggers with shotguns ready. If that wasnt good enough, we get to the tract and dogs are running right where I chose to sit. I went ahead and sat and saw nothing, zero, zilch.

Saw another crowd around lunch time in the same area lined up on 341. Friggin disturbing shit going on.
Hey G-belly welcome to the area lol

Ought to try Lee county. Ol Jimmy Tidwell was always so busy writing tickets to us for no whistle in the lynches or no lifejacket in a sneakboat on a private beaverpond off 341 that he apparantly never had a chance to address the CB, roadhunting, radio collared doghunters in that area :rolleyes:

Watch out G-belly, there was a fella shot up that way about two or three years ago over the dog issue. Fella got out the truck with his mother in it if i remember correctly, walked up to the truck with man and son in it and shot the father..... many of those SOB's are outlaws... call game theif, hunting a highway is illegal I do beleive.

[MediaGuy]

What an insightful reply S&A... did you actually read the post? Seems to me the just of it is that we all have a right to hunt and a responsibility to pass the tradition on to our children. Dems has a point... infighting weakens any group. Look at the SC Rep party and the way they waste time & $$$$$ every election...what's left?! The meek candidates are the only ones left standing to lead us... we're still in charge an' all but damn!
Way to make new members feel welcome:rolleyes:

[Sasha and Abby]

Originally posted by DemsRstupid:
It is inconsiderate of still hunters to try to take away the privilidges of dog hunters just because they do not like or understand dog hunting.[QB}

EVERYONE understands it... we just do not want dogs on our land. No one wants to take away doggers rights... if they would keep their dogs on property they have rights to, there would be no bitching. As it is, they hunt their place and hunt our place by proxy.

[QB} If it bothers you so, fence the dogs out, or speak reasonably with the dog hunters about working out a time when they will respect your right to a quiet, uninterrupted hunt.

I will not fence the dogs out as it is not MY RESPONSIBILITY to keep them off of my property. It IS the dog hunters responsibility to keep them on THEIR property. Let me ask you this... if my neighbor has a herd of cattle, should I have to erect a fence to keep them off of the property that I own???

[QB]In return, let them know you will not complain to the leaseholder they have a relationship with about curtailing their rights to pursue a few of our one million plus woodgoats in the manner they so choose. Once again, I should not have to accomodate someone else's hunting on my land. The doggers would not like me going on their land with my dogs...
:rolleyes:

[HERRINGBONE]

Rock,
If I remember correctly this happened on Flat Rock Road and just a year or so later the son of the man killed was ran over( killed also) by I think his cousin on the same road just up from my property and the hunting club the fellow was in at the time his father was shot told the local warden whom I know that he was no longer associated with them even though he had a membership card in his wallet. They drove around the accident on the way to put out standers if my memory serves me right. I have land on the county line on that road and the dogs run through my property if one of the two dog clubs in the area hunt close and they generally do but most of the time the local deer just move around to accomidate the visitors. Dogs and deer.

[Stripa Swipa]

Pipe,

You have every right to want your preferred method of hunting to be treated equally. The reason I don't buy your argument is this. When PEOPLE decide to come onto your land and hunt, it doesn't have anything to do with their preferred method of hunting. If they get caught, the penalties can be very severe. If dogs are hunting on my property (regardless of their owner's intent) there is no real option for me under the current regulations except to have my hunt ruined. Since some doggers that don't have high standards for being neighbors like you do, they take advantage of this loophole. I personally don't care if doghunting is banned or not. I enjoyed fall turkey hunting in the upstate as a kid and that is no longer legal. That decision had nothing to do with me or my heritage, but had everything to do with the greater good of turkeys and sustainable populations for the future. If I was concerned about the future of doghunting, I'd be pushing for regulations that would solve the problem without creating a ban. Bottom line, doghunting is no less noble a hunting method than still hunting, BUT the way it is often practiced in this state is a net loss for the common good.

[smcgee]

Sounds like ya'll feel pretty strongly about this topic, so I'll piss some of ya'll off and add my two cents. Dog hunting deer (in my lowly opinion) is not sporting, and should be banned. I live in an area where it hasn't been a problem, but there are lots of rabbit hunters, and coon hunters. If you wanna hunt a dog, stick to rabbits and coons. You can't compare deer hunting dogs to fowl dogs, cause all fowl dogs do is go get the prey AFTER you shoot it. I wish I had a dog who could fly and drive the ducks to me. Then I might change my mind about deer drives. Until then, grab your nuts and sit in a deer stand like the rest of us.

[Fish]

Originally posted by Stripa Swipa:
If I was concerned about the future of doghunting, I'd be pushing for regulations that would solve the problem without creating a ban. Now that makes sense. Put the liability where it belongs. Make the dog owner responsible for his dogs actions.

A LOT of guys put dogs out where they fully expect the dogs to cross onto someone elses property.